blktorpedo on June 5, 2012, 03:21 am
What is correct notation this situation: runner on second, batter hits to outfield and runner attempts to score from second; outfielder throws home, while batter takes second base, although his hit would normally be only a single.
Alex Reisner on June 6, 2012, 01:31 pm
blktorpedo on June 6, 2012, 08:03 pm
Would notation differ if runner is safe or out at home; do you indicate which outfielder threw to catcher?
Alex Reisner on June 6, 2012, 08:09 pm
To indicate that the batter was thrown out (left-fielder to catcher):
You might want to check out the bottom of the How It Works page (http://www.reisnerscorekeeping.com/how) for more scoring examples.
mattlasley on June 11, 2012, 04:37 pm
Wow, I can actually read those now.
How do these examples look, Alex? I sort of shorthand things, but I'd like to test my understanding of the notation on these examples and get corrections if I've flubbed it. Perhaps the discussion will be useful to other scorers too.
Some of the more fun/unusual plays I've seen in the last 8 days (high school ball).
A) Runners on 1st and second, single to center, throw home catches lead runner at plate. Runners move up on the play to 2nd and 3rd. There was only 1 throw, so is THH listed on each move like this, or how can it show both moves on 1 throw?
B) Runners on corners. ground ball to short puts out the runner from 2nd. (he was between 2nd and 3rd when put out, so I'm calling that out at 3rd, but is that correct?). Batter to 1st, but that's "normal" so left off the notation (correct?).
C) double, batter caught advancing to 3rd.
D) runner on 2nd. Single to center, who cuts runner down at the plate, and catcher throws to 2nd who runs the batter down who was advancing on the throw. Is it correct to break apart each out this way? By hand I wrote it on the sheet as "S 82.4 DP"
E) Bases loaded. Fly caught by centerfielder, who throw towards home. Cut off by 1st baseman and over to 3rd to tag the runner coming back (no, I don't know why he wasn't running home, something spooked him on what should've been a sac-fly). Again, not sure what pieces to break into what groups, and if 8 should be re-listed for his assist, or left like this.
Alex Reisner on June 11, 2012, 04:54 pm
Nice examples, Matt. Comments:
A) Yes, you should combine both advancements to show they were on the same throw: 1-3,B-2(THH)
B) Yes, that looks correct to me. 1X3 = out trying to advance to 3B.
D) Yes! Good job on a tricky play.
E) I think this should be 8.3XH(835)/DP. You do have to re-list 8 to show he had a putout and an assist, and the baserunner was caught trying to go home (or he would have been standing on the bag, and hence wouldn't have been put out), even if he did have an odd way of doing it. If he was between those bases, he had thoughts of advancing. That's the way to think about it as a scorekeeper, anyway.
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